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Birth of a Conspiracy Theory: There Is No Finland

A study of how a conspiracy theory as absurd as “There is no Finland” can even exist.

by Brian Dunning via Skeptoid

We’ve all heard a lot of really weird conspiracy theories about the world — the Flat Earth, the Hollow Earth, and the world’s governments all conspire to cover up the truth, for some reason. Some of these are so bizarre that they can only be jokes. None more so than the claim that Finland doesn’t exist. The idea here is that where we all think Finland is is actually just ocean, and that Japan and Russia conspired to persuade the world there’s a country there, to cover up the fact that Japan does unlimited fishing and whaling there with no international oversight. Today we’re going to study why a tale so trivially disproven as that can actually survive to become passionately believed by a small but vocal group of conspiracy theorists.

On any map, Finland borders Russia to its east, and its south and west borders are in the Baltic Sea. To its north, Finland connects to Sweden and Norway. Believers in the conspiracy theory have drawn a new map in which most of Finland is simply erased, extending the Baltic Sea all the way to the Russian border; and the northern third of Finland is simply renamed as more of Sweden, thus extending Sweden’s territory significantly. And thus is the Baltic Sea greatly expanded as well, giving those Japanese fishing boats plenty of space to do what they do, unpestered by fishing regulators.

How would such a thing come to be? According to the conspiracy theory, after World War II, Russia found itself short of food (and this is quite true). Japan was facing a related problem, in that they found they’d been overfishing and needed new waters. So they approached Russia with the idea of granting them secret fishing rights in the Baltic; and to hide it from the rest of the world, they’d mutually agree to tell everyone that much of the Baltic Sea was actually a landmass called Finland so there’s no need for anyone to try and regulate fishing there. Russia agreed, and together they built the Trans-Siberian Railway to facilitate the endeavour, and as a quid pro quo, Japan donated much of its catch to Russia.

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Hitler’s Antarctic Fortress Unmasked

Deconstructing a wild tale about a Nazi military base deep inside Antarctica.

by Brian Dunning via skeptoid

It’s a story that reads like a Captain America comic book: American firepower going after the Nazi super-villain in a remote fortress. Despite World War II having ended, Third Reich scientists were still soldiering on at their hidden lair, planning the doom of civilization. New Berchtesgaden was said to be a Nazi base in Antarctica, established in 1939. Then during World War II, the British launched at least one assault against it. In 1946 the Americans tried the same thing. It wasn’t until 1958 that three nuclear bombs finally destroyed New Berchtesgaden, putting a final end to the Nazi regime. It’s a story so wild that you can scarcely believe you haven’t heard of it before. But believe it you must; because as bizarre as it sounds, parts of this insane tale are actually true.

The story goes that in 1938, the Nazis sent a ship called the Schwabenland to Antarctica to set up a military base, on the orders of Admiral Dönitz. It landed at that sector of Antarctica called Queen Maud Land, and they named their area New Schwabia, after their ship. Deep in the interior of the continent, they established a permanent base and named it New Berchtesgaden, after the Bavarian town overlooked by the Kehlsteinhaus “Eagle’s Nest” retreat.

Nazi surveyors discovered a vast network of underground tunnels including a warm geothermal lake, and some say alien technology was found there. The Nazis used this resource to construct a large underground city, variously called New Berlin or Base 211.

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Holocaust Denial

Why some people think the Holocaust never happened, and what to do about it.

Brian DunningBy Brian Dunning via skeptoid
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There are some events in history so profound and personal that they govern the courses of lives even generations later. History tells us that a tenth of the 60 million human beings killed in World War II were Jewish civilians who were murdered for no reaon other than being Jewish. Decades later, some promote an alternative view, a “revisioning” as they call it; a view that claims these people did not die, but that it is a myth created by the Jewish people themselves in order to win unearned sympathy. Today we’re going to take a look at Holocaust denial.

Auschwitz concentration camp

Auschwitz concentration camp

Let’s say an intelligent person decides to sit down at the computer and spend a few hours making an honest and thorough assessment of the evidence, to decide whether the Holocaust happened, and if it did, whether it was really as big as 6 million. I’ll tell you right now: by no means is that person necessarily more likely to conclude the Holocaust was real. For every piece of evidence one can find, thorough and well-reasoned counter arguments exist to contradict it, and are often easier to find. Complicating things further is that any given single piece of information, supporting either argument, can be fairly described as an out-of-context cherrypick. It’s dangerous to assume that the Internet provides a consensus perspective.

I quickly grew conscious of this as I was planning how to frame this episode. My initial idea was to lay out what we know, and how we know it. Pretty basic. However, I have plenty of experience with anti-Semitism, having done episodes on the Rothschild banking family, the Zionist conspiracy, and other topics sure to attract the bigots, so I’m well aware of how the comments are likely to go on this episode. If I were to merely describe the evidence, the comments would be overloaded with contradicting claims so specific and diverse that it’s virtually impossible to respond. So we will take a quick skim over some of that evidence, but my experience is that the more useful strategy in discussing this topic is to prepare the honest researcher for the broader task of being prepared for the incoming onslaught of pseudohistory, and be ready to recognize it for what it is.

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Did the Nazis practice magic?

Via Stuff They Don’t Want You to Know – YouTube

After World War II, conspiracy theorists started making increasingly strange claims about the Nazi party: One of the strangest claims concerns magic.

The Queen Mary Is Not Haunted (But I Understand Why You Think She Is)

By John Champion via The Committee for Skeptical Inquiry – CSI

The RMS Queen Mary, a ship of enormous historical import, has been transformed into a roadside attraction whose owners profit off the allure of “ghosts.” Her glorious factual history has been brushed aside in a bid to pander to eager ghost-hunting tourists who aren’t thinking critically about the claims.

“For me, it is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.”

—Carl Sagan, The Demon Haunted World

I’ve had a fascination with classic ocean liners for most of my life. In particular, I have had a sincere awe for the RMS Queen Mary (QM) since I first stayed on board in the early 1980s—well after her retirement in 1967 and subsequent conversion into a hotel. She is a thing of beauty—a near-perfect expression of the industrial design aesthetics of the era (conceived in 1929, launched in 1934, maiden voyage in 1936). To say that we don’t make them like we used to is an insulting understatement.

Queen Mary ship swimming pool in the 1930s, “ground zero” for supposed paranormal activity. (Mirrorpix/Newscom)

Queen Mary ship swimming pool in the 1930s, “ground zero” for supposed paranormal activity. (Mirrorpix/Newscom)

Anytime in the last few years that I have even mentioned the Queen Mary, the immediate reaction from people within earshot is, “Ooh! I’ve heard that she’s really haunted!” My first reaction is a kind of amusement: how could one even tell the difference between something being really haunted as opposed to fakely haunted? My next reaction is usually a sigh of, “Here we go again,” and my final reaction more recently has been a kind of offense taken on behalf of the ship. I suppose that since an entire generation has passed since the Queen Mary was in service, the popular understanding of her has morphed into something a little weird and otherworldly rather than something that was a practical means of (elegant) travel. I write this article to express my own dismay but also to try to piece together why the QM has this persistent aura as the “haunted ship” and to make a plea to emphasize the real history of the ship as part of her future.

What Is a Haunting?

haunted queenmary_300pxI suppose the first thing to do is to make a concise case for the problem of claiming that anything is “haunted.” No, I do not believe in ghosts, and at the same time a truly skeptical position must concede that this is not an outright rejection of the possibility that ghosts might exist, only that they haven’t been discovered yet. The problem is that there is no agreement among ghost believers as to what they actually are. If I had to aggregate just from popular ghost-hunting stories, I could paint a picture that ghosts are: sound-producing, light-producing, simultaneously corporeal and noncorporeal representations of “energy” (Electric? Chemical? Nuclear? Magnetic?) that can manipulate elec­tronic devices, temperature, and phys­ical bodies—except for when they don’t. There are so many definitions and assumed qualities of ghosts that it is impossible to come up with a working definition. In science, I would call that a “hypothesis.” Once there is a hypothesis or a working model explaining the properties of ghosts, then one could go about controlled experimentation. No one is at that stage though—be­cause, again, ghosts have no known properties. So, no, the things that are claimed as “evidence” of ghosts (orbs in photos, mysterious sounds on a tape, a creaky door) can’t hold up as scientific evidence until a working hypothesis is established.

Furthermore, of course, anecdotes are not evidence. An anecdote is a personal story of a personal experience. It’s not a reliable way to make a judgment about the validity of a claim. Our minds are subject to bias, misunderstanding, mis­interpretation, and conflation. The more anecdotes that accumulate don’t lead to the credence that the claim is true; it’s simply more “noise.” Personal experience is usually the absolute worst way to make a judgment about the veracity of any claim.

So that’s a little taste of why I don’t buy it when people make the “ghost” claim, but there are far better sources to brush up on your scientific understanding, such as Carl Sagan’s The Demon-Haunted World, Michael Shermer’s Why People Believe Weird Things, and 50 Popular Beliefs That People Think Are True by Guy P. Harrison. While you’re at it, check out Brian Dunning’s excellent (and short!) dismantling of ghost claims in “Do Ghosts Exist?” on his blog at www.skepticblog.org/2012/08/30/do-ghosts-exist. There’s much more that can be said here, but I want to get back to the Queen Mary.


haunted_places_queen_mary_250pxThe Queen Mary was one of the crowning achievements of the art and industry of shipbuilding. She was created and sailed in an era after the Edwardian opulence of ships like the Titanic and Lusitania and just before the jet age had arrived. She’s a blend of old hand-craftsmanship with the speed and technology of modern industrial achievement. To put it in twenty-first-century terms, she was a marvel of art and design in the way that the space shuttle amazed onlookers thirty years ago or the 787 Dreamliner and Airbus 380 do today. She held the speed record for crossing the Atlantic for nearly two decades and carried more troops at a single time than any other vessel during World War II.

After an exceptional service history (and with the speed and economy of air travel relegating ocean travel to vacation cruising), the QM was set for retirement in Long Beach as a hotel/conference center/tourist attraction. Since 1967, tourists have visited her in dry dock and gotten a small taste of what travel was like when the “Queens” ruled the seas.

The infamous Watertight Door No. 13. where 18-year-old John Pedder was crushed to death. Photo: flickr

The infamous Watertight Door No. 13. where 18-year-old John Pedder was crushed to death.
Photo: flickr

Retirement, sadly, would be anything but peaceful. As soon as she pulled into port for the last time, the Queen Mary was subjected to numerous “renovations” and conversions that would forever mar her interior. Entire sections have been gutted, rooms and artifacts lost to history, artwork destroyed, and other blunders of huge proportion. The ship’s operations and ownership have changed hands numerous times in the years since, and she has struggled economically. In many respects, the experience has been “dumbed down” with subpar restaurants (with some notable exceptions), chintzy events, and history taking a backseat to exploitative tours—the most prominent and most egregious of which is the “ghost” tour.

In the early 2000s, the “Ghosts and Legends Tour” was installed. It makes use of some very interesting (and otherwise off limits) spaces of the ship. Fantastical tales of the paranormal are woven into the ship’s actual history and presented with a theatrical flair and some low-rent special effects. Tourists see the magnificent first-class pool area but not in any state resembling its days at sea. This version is fading, cracking and filled with fog. The real-life accident with the Curacao—in which 239 sailors perished—is played out for maudlin drama in a former mail hold that plays the part of the “bow.”

The Problem with the ‘Haunting’

On any night at the Queen Mary, groups of tourists who are interested can also take a guided tour from a “paranormal” expert guide. They bump around wav­ing electronics of dubious utility in the air hoping for some “evidence” of an apparition. They can explore otherwise off limits sections of the ship and really take their time exploring while asking each other, “Did you hear something?”

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The Secrets of MKULTRA

How true is it that the CIA conducted unethical mind control experiments on unwitting human subjects?

Brian DunningBy Brian Dunning via skeptoid

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It’s one of the most ominous terms in the history of modern governments and intelligence, nearly on a par with the names of Josef Mengele and Pol Pot. For 20 years from 1953 to 1973, the American Central Intelligence Agency funded and conducted tests on human subjects, both with and without their knowledge, in an effort to control minds and personalities for the purpose of espionage. CIA_gray_Logo_250pxMost notorious for administering the psychedelic drug LSD to people without their knowledge or consent, MKULTRA has since become a cornerstone of conspiracy theorists flaunting it almost gleefully as proof of the government’s misdeeds against its own private citizens. And the scary part is that it’s completely true.

The short version of the MKULTRA story is that the CIA spent a long time trying to control minds. After performing all kinds of dastardly and unethical testing, they found they couldn’t reliably achieve their goals, and terminated the program. That’s it. It’s important to keep it in context, both what it was and what it wasn’t. It’s evidence that the government tried something that didn’t work. It’s also evidence that the government has been proven willing to bend the rules; and by “bending the rules” I mean breaking laws and violating both civil rights and ethics at every level. But with this said, MKULTRA does not constitute evidence that similar projects continue today. Maybe they do, but logically, MKULTRA is not that proof.

So let’s look at how this all came about and what exactly happened. The cold war started basically as soon as the smoke cleared from World War II, and the Western bloc and the Communist bloc immediately became suspicious of one another. In 1949, the highest ranking Catholic archbishop in Communist Hungary, Cardinal József Mindszenty, was marched into court where he had been charged with treason for trying to undermine the Communist government. Mindszenty, who was innocent, mechanically confessed in court to a long list of crimes including stealing Hungary’s crown jewels, planning to depose the government, start World War III, and then seize power himself. The CIA watched this, noted his strange behavior while making the confessions, and concluded that he must have been brainwashed. They saw American prisoners of war in North Korea make anti-Amerian statements on camera. Clearly, some response was needed to this apparent Communist ability. They contrived to develop mind control techniques.

ElectroshockOne such project was called MKULTRA. MK meant the project was run by the CIA’s Technical Services Staff, and Ultra was a reference to the highest level of security. But although MKULTRA is the poster child, there were other similar projects. It had spawned from project ARTICHOKE, founded in 1951 to study hypnosis and morphine addiction. There was also MKSEARCH, MKOFTEN, project BLUEBIRD, a whole raft of related programs. The US military, separate from the CIA, also conducted its own research. Project CHATTER, part of the US Navy, ran from 1947 to 1953, when MKULTRA took over.

At the time, both psychology and psychopharmacology were in their infancies. We didn’t really know whether the CIA’s goals were achievable or not; whether it was or was not possible to exert a finely tuned influence on people’s minds. During the cold war’s golden era of espionage, this was a major national security question. The CIA had to know whether this was something they could do; because if it was, it was something the KGB could do right back at them. While nuclear physicists on both sides were building bigger and bigger hydrogen bombs, psychologists and chemists were working to fight the cold war on a much subtler front.

The CIA is not a scientific research organization, and so it needed to contract out the vast majority of this work. The CIA set up front groups, such as the Society for the Investigation for Human Ecology, to fund projects at universities and hospitals in such a way that nobody realized the CIA was involved. Some 86 such institutions are known to have received funding as part of MKULTRA. The vast majority of researchers were unaware that their programs were funded by the CIA, and accordingly, did their work as they normally would according to ethical standards of the day. Some researched forms of hypnosis, some did trials on a variety of drugs intended to work as truth serums, some did various psychiatric or psychological studies trying to learn what made people tick and how that tick might be manipulable. In fact, just about every bizarre experiment you might have read about probably was tried to some degree by some MKULTRA funded researcher. Granted the ethical standards of the 1950s and 1960s were not what they are today, but still there was very little intentional harm done by nearly all MKULTRA funded programs. Nevertheless, the exceptions were exceptional indeed.

HypnotizeAnimatedResearch done at McGill University by Dr. Donald Cameron took patients who came in with minor psychiatric complaints and subjected them to outrageous treatments. Some were given electroshock therapy at many times the normal voltage, some were given LSD, some were given other experimental or illegal drugs, all under the license granted by MKULTRA. Many reports state that some patients left with lifelong disabilities.

The Addiction Research Center at the Public Health Service Hospital in Lexington, KY was also secretly on the CIA’s payroll. Dr. Harris Isbell took patients who came in to seek treatment for drug addiction and gave them massive doses of LSD, heroin, methamphetamine, and psychedelic mushrooms. In one experiment he put seven patients on LSD for 77 days straight.

 I could fill a month of episodes giving such brief examples of the MKULTRA projects that are known. The main thing we know is that it didn’t work.

Nothing that came out of MKULTRA panned out as very useful from an espionage perspective; in short, the CIA was never able to achieve the type of mind control that it wanted, and so the program was eventually terminated (other related programs from other agencies continued for some time with similar results). Because of the secrecy and ethical violations, the CIA destroyed all the documents, with the exception of a few that have turned up here and there over the years from misplaced archives. What remains has all been declassified, and can now be freely downloaded.

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The Government is Not Poisoning You With ‘Chemtrails’

By Dave via IdiotWars: Cracking the Nuts of the Lunatic Fringe

chemtrail UFO culprit_300pxWhen I was a kid I spent a lot of time on planes flying from country to country and a fair amount of time looking at the sky from the ground, fascinated with the space program which was taking us to the moon and beyond. I never looked to the skies with fear or terror, but only saw it as a blank canvas for amazing possibilities.

One of the things I saw in those skies were lots of straight white lines, sometimes in pairs, usually very high up, which my father identified as contrails. He had been a navy flyer in World War II and had seen plenty of them up close and personal He explained that they are lines of frozen water vapor formed when the hot and humid exhaust from a plane’s engines encounters colder air high in the atmosphere and turns to ice crystals, essentially producing artificial clouds behind the plane.

That seemed like a pretty reasonable explanation for many years, but imagine my surprise to be informed that these trails of cloud were not, in fact, mere frozen water vapor, but were actually ‘chemtrails‘; not trails of condensation, but trails of chemicals nefariously released into our atmosphere by the government or by evil corporations or even by aliens for all sorts of arcane purposes, from testing biological weapons on the civilian population to reprogramming our perceptions with psychoactive chemicals to causing mass sterilization as part of a UN depopulation program.

chemcloud_200pxThe basic origin of the chemtrails conspiracy theory seems to be nothing more than people looking up in the sky and seeing contrails and speculating insanely with no actual basis in fact. It’s a particularly bewildering theory because we’ve had a factual, scientific and verifiable explanation for contrails for generations. To look beyond that explanation requires the kind of paranoid mindset that looks at commonplace things and manufactures nightmares out of nothing. It’s Agent Mulder announcing “I want to believe” and then finding what he wants to believe in whether it exists or not. The classic self-fulfilling prophecy with nothing real behind it.

The idea that contrails were actually something more nefarious is based on several bits of mistaken evidence. First, that contrails seem to last far longer than anyone would expect and that they are increasing in number. Second, that they sometimes form seemingly complex or regular patterns or display strange colors. Third, that some airplanes have mysterious tanks and apparatus in their wings. Couple these observations with a belief that the government is generally up to no good and you get such popular explanations for ‘chemtrails’ as that they are methods of dispersing chemicals over the entire surface of the country to drug the population for any purpose from mass inoculation to mind control, that they are some sort of weather modification program to either cause or prevent global warming, and that they are some method of communicating with aliens or terraforming the earth to be more compatible with alien lifeforms.

The behavior of contrails has been pretty thoroughly researched. They are generally found very high in the atmosphere where conditions can be extremely stable and where very low temperatures make it unlikely for ice crystals to melt quickly. Because they are ice crystals at high altitude they can produce a rainbow-like effect which would cause them to change color or appear sparkly when caught by the sun at the right angle. The increasing number of contrails is solely the result of . . .

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What Are the Marfa Lights | Marfa Texas

By Marc Lallanilla via LiveScience

marfa lights 947The Marfa Lights, mysterious glowing orbs that appear in the desert outside the West Texas town of Marfa, have mystified people for generations.

According to eyewitnesses, the Marfa Lights appear to be roughly the size of basketballs and are varyingly described as white, blue, yellow, red or other colors.

Reportedly, the Marfa Lights hover, merge, twinkle, split into two, flicker, float up into the air or dart quickly across Mitchell Flat (the area east of Marfa where they’re most commonly reported).

There seems to be no way to predict when the lights will appear; they’re seen in various weather conditions, but only a dozen or so nights a year. And nobody knows for sure what they are — or if they really even exist at all.

A closeup of the Marfa Lights

A closeup of the Marfa Lights

The Native Americans of the area thought the Marfa Lights were fallen stars, the Houston Chronicle reports.

The first mention of the lights comes from 1883, when cowhand Robert Reed Ellison claimed to have seen flickering lights one evening while driving a herd of cattle near Mitchell Flat. He assumed the lights were from Apache campfires.

Ellison was told by area settlers that they often saw the lights, too, but upon investigation, they found no ashes or other evidence of a campfire, according to the Texas State Historical Association.

During World War II, pilots from nearby Midland Army Air Field tried to locate the source of the mysterious lights, but were unable to discover anything.

A superior mirage

Lovers of the paranormal have attributed the Marfa Lights to everything from space aliens to the wandering ghosts of Spanish conquistadors.

marfa1_250pxAcademics, too, have tried to offer a scientific explanation for the enigmatic lights. A group of physics students from the University of Texas at Dallas concluded that headlights from vehicles on nearby U.S. Highway 67 could explain at least some of the reported sightings of the Marfa Lights.

Another possible explanation is the refraction of light caused by layers of air at different temperatures. This optical illusion, sometimes called a superior mirage or a “Fata Morgana,” according to Skeptoid.com, occurs when a layer of calm, warm air rests above a layer of cooler air.

A Fata Morgana is sometimes seen in the ocean, causing a ship to appear to float above the horizon. The temperature gradients needed to produce this optical effect are common in the West Texas desert.

Glowing gases

Still others speculate the Marfa Lights may be caused by . . .

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Is that a FEMA Camp? – April 21, 2013 Edition

escape_to_camp_fema_sticker_250pxIs that a FEMA Camp? is a blog dedicated to investigating claims of FEMA camp locations.

Below is some of their findings. Enjoy 🙂

April 21, 2013 Edition

Kingwood, West Virginia

dawsonsign_250pxThe claim: Newly built detention camp at Camp Dawson Army Reservation. More data needed on Camp Dawson.

What it really is: Camp Dawson is a West Virginia Army National Guard training camp that opened in 1909.

There are a few large and newer buildings there, but none of them look like something you would find at a prison camp.

Mill Creek, West Virginia

The claim: FEMA detention facility.

What it really is: A bogus claim.

Looking at the area via Google maps, other then the local elementary school and a couple of industrial buildings, I can’t find anything that would even come close to looking like a prison camp, and even these places would be hard to mistake…

Morgantown, West Virginia

The claim: Federal prison camp located in northern WV; just north of Kingwood.

What it really is: it’s a minimum security Federal prison that holds 1,140 inmates.

Beckley – Alderson – Lewisburg, West Virginia

CorrectionalFacility_250pxThe claim: Former WWII detention camps that are now converted into active federal prison complexes capable of holding several times their current populations. Alderson is presently a women’s federal reformatory.

What it really is: Alderson was opened in 1928. It is minimum security, it has always been a Federal prison for women.

The Federal prison in Beckley is medium security with a minimum security prison camp.

There are no prisons in Lewisburg at all.

Also, none of these places were the sites of World War Two POW camps.

South Central part of state, Nebraska

The claim: Many old WWII sites – some may be renovated.

What it really is: It is a very vague claim that actually doesn’t really tell anything, nor give an exact location.

Northwest, Northeast corners of state, Nebraska

femacamp2_250pxThe claim: FEMA detention facilities – more data needed.

What it really is: Most likely bogus.

The lack of information, plus actual locations, indicates that this was just made up.

Scottsbluff, Nebraska

The claim: WWII German POW camp (renovated?).

What it really is: There was a POW camp there that closed in 1946. There isn’t much information about the camp, but from what I have found, there is probably nothing left of it anymore.

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Is that a FEMA Camp? – April 7, 2013 Edition

Is that a FEMA Camp? is a blog dedicated to investigating claims of FEMA camp locations. Below is some of their findings. Enjoy 🙂

April 7, 2013 Edition

Department_of_Corrections_of_PennsylvaniaSchuylkill Haven, Pennsylvania

The claim: Federal prison camp, north of Reading.

What it really is: It’s a medium security prison that has a minimum security prison camp. The prison holds 1,330 inmates, with 340 in the prison camp.

New Cumberland Army Depot, Pennsylvania

The claim: on the Susquehanna River, located off Interstate 83 and Interstate 76.

What it really is: It’s an Army base that employs 3,000 civilian personnel and 100 military personnel.

Camp Hill, Pennsylvania

The claim: State prison close to Army depot. Lots of room, located in Camp Hill, Pa.

What it really is: The prison that is being refereed to is called the State Correctional Institution, Camp Hill.

The prison houses 3,400 inmates. While there are many buildings there, I wouldn’t say that there is lots of room because the buildings are pretty tightly packed together. In fact there has been over capacity problems at the prison in the past, which may have been one of the factors that lead to a major riot at the prison in 1989.

Indianatown gapIndiantown Gap Military Reservation, Pennsylvania

The claim: located north of Harrisburg. Used for WWII POW camp and renovated by Jimmy Carter. Was used to hold Cubans during Mariel boat lift.

What it really is: The base is a National Guard training center, and is controlled by the Pennsylvania National Guard.

It is true that the site was used as a POW camp, and was used to hold Cuban refugees after the Mariel boatlift. What is not true however is that there is a prison camp there. I’ve taken a look at the site using Google maps, and there is nothing there that looks like a prison camp.

Allenwood, Pennsylvania

The claim: Federal prison camp located south of Williamsport on the Susquehanna River. It has a current inmate population of 300, and is identified by William Pabst as having a capacity in excess of 15,000 on 400 acres.

What it really is: There’s actually three Federal prisons there, not one.

The first is a low security prison that can hold 1,450 inmates, a medium security prison that can hold 1,400 inmates, and a high security prison that can hold 1,000 inmates. That’s a total of 3,850 inmates, which is almost four times less than what is claimed the prisons can hold.

Also, William Pabst has been making claims about this sort of stuff since the 1970’s, and he has been described by some people as being unhinged, so any information from him should be considered unreliable.

camp_ripley_250pxCamp Ripley, Minnesota

The claim: new prison facility.

What it really is: It’s a training base for the Minnesota National Guard, the Department of Natural Resources Enforcement Center, and hosts the Minnesota State Patrol Academy. The site also hosts the Minnesota Military Museum and annual deer hunts.

Also, after looking at the site using Google maps, I can find nothing there that looks like a prison.

Duluth, Minnesota

The claim: Federal prison camp facility.

What it really is: Not a FEMA camp. It’s a minimum security Federal Prison camp that holds about 800 prisoners.

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Is that a FEMA Camp? – April 3, 2013 Edition

Is that a FEMA Camp? is a blog dedicated to investigating claims of FEMA camp locations. Below is some of their findings. Enjoy 🙂

April 3, 2013 Edition

Lansing, Michigan

The claim: FEMA detention facility.

What it really is: There are several urban renewal projects happening around the city, some of these projects may be mistaken as a FEMA camp to people who think that FEMA camps are real.

femacamp2_250pxSouthwest – possibly Berrien County, Michigan

The claim: FEMA detention center.

What it really is: This is obviously a bogus claim. Whomever made this claim can’t even give a relatively close location.

The claim is clearly made up.

Bay City, Michigan

The claim: Classic enclosure with guard towers, high fence, and close to shipping port on Saginaw Bay, which connects to Lake Huron. Could be a deportation point to overseas via St. Lawrence Seaway.

What it really is: I’ve taken a look at the city via Google Maps, and despite it’s name, there is no shipping port at Bay City, unless of course you count the public marines and a couple of privately piers. Other then that and a maybe a few industrial centers, there is nothing there that resembles the claim

escape_to_camp_fema_sticker_bumperSawyer AFB, Michigan

The claim: Upper Peninsula – south of Marquette – No data available.

What it really is: This Air Force base was closed in 1995 and in 1999 became the Sawyer International Airport.

Camp Grayling, Michigan

The claim: Michigan Nat’l Guard base has several confirmed detention camps, classic setup with high fences, razor wire, etc. Guard towers are very well-built, sturdy. Multiple compounds within larger enclosures. Facility deep within forest area.

What it really is: Using Google Maps I’ve taken a look around the area of the camp, and the only buildings that I can find that comes even relatively close to what resembles the claim are some private businesses and churches off base and some recreational areas.

conspiracy-theory-alertFt. Devens, Massachusetts

The claim: Active detention facility. More data needed.

What it really is: The base was closed in 1995, but was reopened in 2007 as an Army Reserve installation.

While there isn’t a Federal prison there, there is a Federal Medical center there that handles male inmates requiring specialized or long-term medical or mental health care.

Camp Edwards / Otis AFB – Cape Cod, Massachusetts

The claim: This “inactive” base is being converted to hold many New Englander patriots. Capacity unknown.

What it really is: This base is a training center for the National Guard, and is not inactive.

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(Updated 4/18/13) Also See: FM 3-39.40 proves FEMA camps are real… Or does it? (Is that a FEMA Camp?)

Is that a FEMA Camp? – March 23, 2013 Edition

Is that a FEMA Camp? is a blog dedicated to investigating claims of FEMA camp locations. Below is some of their findings. Enjoy 🙂

March 23, 2013 Edition

Camp+Fema+Roadkill_300pxSheppard AFB, Texas

The claim: in Wichita Falls just south of Ft. Sill, OK. FEMA designated detention facility.

What it really is: It is an Air Force training base, with one of it’s runways being shared with the Wichita Falls Municipal Airport under a joint civil-military arrangement.

I’ve also taken a look at it via Google maps, and nothing there looks like a prison camp.

Amarillo, Texas

The claim: FEMA designated detention facility

What it really is: Amarillo is a fairly decent sized city in Texas (over 190,000) and grew in population by nearly 10% between 2000 and 2010, so the city probably has had several building projects happening (most likely for housing).

Considering that it is a large, populated area, it seems highly unlikely that a FEMA detention facility could be hidden here without someone. Taking this into consideration, and the fact that there is a lack of information about this claim, it has lead me to believe that this claim is bogus.

Reese AFB (Lubbock), Texas

The claim: FEMA designated detention facility.

What it really is: The base was closed in 1997, and is now a research and business park named Reese Technology Center, and the runways are used by model airplane pilots.

dees-fema-camp-billboard2_300pxMexia, Texas

The claim: East of Waco 33mi.; WWII German facility may be renovated.

What it really is: There was a World War Two POW camp there, but it was convert in 1947 for use as the Mexia State School.

Ft. Bliss (El Paso), Texas

The claim: Extensive renovation of buildings and from what patriots have been able to see, many of these buildings that are being renovated are being surrounded by razor wire.

What it really is: Fort Bliss has been a army base since before the Civil War, so it’s not surprising that some of the buildings would occasionally need to be renovated, even including extensive renovations, in order to remain operational. If the building are being surrounded by razor wire it’s probably because they need to keep people out so that the renovations can be completed.

North Dallas, Texas

The claim: near Carrolton – water treatment plant, close to interstate and railroad.

What it really is: It’s a water treatment plant… and that’s all it is. Most cites have water treatment plants. Being near an interstate and a railroad means nothing.

Eden, Texas

The claim: 1500 bed privately run federal center. Currently holds illegal aliens.

What it really is: While everything is factually true (and it probably does hold illegal aliens there that have committed crimes), what is not mentioned is that the prison is a low-security prison.

escape_to_camp_fema_sticker_bumperBastrop, Texas

The claim: Prison and military vehicle motor pool.

What it really is: My question about this is where exactly is this alleged motor pool at? There is not exactly a lot of detail here.

When I did a Google image search for “bastrop texas military” I saw that a lot of photos were of nearby forest fires, so it’s possible these vehicles (if they did exist) were used to transport in solders and even prisoners to fight forest fires.

Austin, Texas

The claim: Robert Mueller Municipal airport has detenion areas inside hangars.

What it really is: A bogus claim.

If this was true then there would simply be no way to hide it.

There are probably caged areas inside of the hangers there, but that is probably to keep people out, not in.

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Is that a FEMA Camp? – March 17, 2013 Edition

Is that a FEMA Camp? is a blog dedicated to investigating claims of FEMA camp locations. Below is some of their findings. Enjoy 🙂

March 17, 2013 Edition

Lima, Ohio

The claim: FEMA detention facility. Another facility located in/near old stone quarry near Interstate 75. Railroad access to property, fences etc.

What it really is: Using Google Maps I took a look at the two stone quarries that were located in the general area, and what I found was that they were nothing more than stone quarries. Nothing located at these sites are anything you wouldn’t find at a stone quarry.

Cincinnati, Cleveland, Columbus, Ohio

The claim: FEMA detention facilities. Data needed.

What it really is: These are three very large cities that have multiple construction projects going on, with any one of them being easily mistaken for a FEMA camp by anyone who thinks that anything with fencing around it is a FEMA camp.

Ft. Sill (Lawton), Oklahoma

The claim: Former WWII detention camps. More data still needed.

What it really is: Ft. Sill is one of the oldest military bases in the country. The site itself was founded in 1869 and was registered as a National Historic Landmark in 1960.

While the fort was the site of a POW camp during World War Two, the lack of any data tells me that the site is only accused of being a FEMA camp is because it is a military base that had a POW camp located there.

McAlester, Oklahoma

The claim: near Army Munitions Plant property – former WWII German / Italian POW camp designated for future use.

What it really is: According to Oklahoma Historical Society the site of the POW camp was built north of the city, while the munitions plant was built south of the town. As for the former POW camp itself, it’s most likely been torn down and now used for public use.

El Reno, Oklahoma

FC_fema-1_300pxThe claim: Renovated federal internment facility with CURRENT population of 12,000 on Route 66.

What it really is: There is a is a medium security Federal Correctional Institution there called FCI El Reno (with a minimum security prison camp), but it does not have a current population of 12,000, but a population of 1,000 (with a population of 265 in the prison camp).

Will Rogers World Airport, Oklahoma

The claim: FEMA’s main processing center for west of the Mississippi. All personnel are kept out of the security zone. Federal prisoner transfer center located here (A pentagon-shaped building where airplanes can taxi up to).

What it really is: Yes, there is a transfer Federal prisoner transfer center (although it’s hexagon shaped, not pentagon shaped) but just because this place exists (which is public knowledge) it does not mean that it is a processing center for FEMA.

Tinker AFB (OKC), Oklahoma

The claim: All base personnel are prohibited from going near civilian detention area, which is under constant guard.

What it really is: It’s a military base, and all military bases have sites on them that you are not allowed to go to unless there is a need for you to be there and would need to be constantly guarded, such as say the hangers where they store the E-6B Mercury airplanes there.

Ft. Lewis / McChord AFB, Washington

Alex Jones believes in FEMA camps.

If Alex Jones believes in FEMA
camps they must be real.

The claim: near Tacoma – This is one of several sites that may be used to ship prisoners overseas for slave labor.

What it really is: These claims are highly questionable at best, and most likely bogus. Besides the fact that there is no evidence what so ever to back this claim up, it doesn’t really make any logical sense.

Why would the government ship people over seas to be used as slave labor when they could be used here?

Sand Point Naval Station – Seattle, Washington

The claim: FEMA detention center used actively during the 1999 WTO protests to classify prisoners.

What it really is: The base (actually called Naval Station Puget Sound) was closed down in 1995, and was divided amongst several entities, including the city of Seattle.

The site itself is now apart of the National Register of Historic Places.

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Rethinking the Great Los Angeles Air Raid of 1942


By Micah Hanks via Mysterious Universe

Few wartime incidents have been so compelling, and controversial, in the eyes of modern ufologists as that famous “battle” which took place in the skies above Los Angeles in the early morning of February 25, 1942. While conventional history maintains that the entire ordeal had been the result of “war nerves,” UFO researchers have scoffed at the assertion that an object allegedly seen in the skies above Los Angeles that evening had simply been meteorological balloons (see Wesley Craven and James Cate’s 1983 The Army Air Forces in World War II: Defense of the Western Hemisphere for more on the official analysis of the incident). 

The story is well known by now: a strange object appears on radar, moving in slowly toward land from off the Pacific, and soon there are reports buzzing about sightings of Japanese planes over California. Artillery fire ensues, lasting until around 4:14 AM, causing damage to buildings, and even a handful of deaths throughout the panic-stricken city, with reports of disabled Japanese fighter planes crashing to the ground.

The story has remained sensational, largely due to the interest and assertions of UFO researchers; in the past, I too have questioned, on occasion, how a misidentified aircraft of any kind might sustain an onslaught lasting nearly an hour and a half, courtesy of 12.8 pound anti-aircraft shells.


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For all we know, maybe the root of the mystery really does have to do with an exotic aircraft… and to be fair, maybe weather balloons are still just as worthy of consideration. But over the years, there has been enough misinfo presented by both sides–favoring skepticism as well as belief–to almost forever color the waters around this strange and scary incident. So what happened on that February night over Los Angeles, and was California really visited by an unknown aircraft capable of sustaining long-term firing well into the morning hours?

Over the years, there have been a number of bad reports–some of them outright hoaxes–that have been passed along as “evidence” of something strange in the skies over Los Angeles in 1942. Back in 2010, I had taken particular interest in reports appearing at various sites online that alleged the object seen over LA that evening had resembled a giant butterfly. The specific source being cited for these claims had been The Reno Evening Gazette February 26, 1942 edition, thus resulting in a few Fortean scholars who began to draw parallels between the LA air raid of ’42 and later “Mothman” reports emanating from Point Pleasant, West Virginia, during the late 1960s. Like many others, I was intrigued by this, and so I decided to see if I could hunt down an old microfilm copy of this edition of the Gazettesure enough, I located the paper thanks to a little help from an amateur historian friend of mine, with the famous headline emblazoned across the frontpage that read, “Los Angeles Confused Over Air Raid Alarm.” My search for a large Fortean fluttering beast had begun, but the biggest surprise came at the end, when it became clear that . . .

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Is that a FEMA Camp? – March 6, 2013 Edition

Is that a FEMA Camp? is a blog dedicated to investigating claims of FEMA camp locations. Below is some of their findings. Enjoy 🙂

March 6, 2013 Edition

FEMA-camp-razor-wired_250pxShawnee National Forest – Pope County, Illinois

The claim: This area has seen heavy traffic of foreign military equipment and troops via Illinois Central Railroad, which runs through the area. Suspected location is unknown, but may be close to Vienna and Shawnee correctional centers, located 6 mi. west of Dixon Springs.

What it really is: Completely bogus. Using Google maps I can find nothing that resembles a prison camp inside the national forest that is near the two correctional centers.

As for the claim of foreign military being in the area, none of these claims come from reliable sources, it’s just all copy and pasted from other sites without any additional information to back up the claim.

Greenfield, Illinois

The claim: Two federal correctional “satellite prison camps” serving Marion – populated as above.

What it really is: The site itself is called FCI Greenville, and is a medium security prison that has a separate minimum security prison camp for female inmates, making it necessary for there to be two completely separate facilities.

The prison itself holds 1,180 inmates, with 320 inmates in the prison camp.

Marion, Illinois

The claim: Federal Penitentiary and satellite prison camp inside Crab Orchard Nat’l Wildlife Refuge. Manned, staffed, populated fully.

What it really is: With the exception of the facility being located in Crab Orchard National Wildlife Refuge, everything else is technically true.

The actual facility is called the United States Penitentiary, Marion, and it actually use to be maximum security prison that was built replace Alcatraz, and houses and housed multiple famous and high profile criminals, including Clement Rodney Hampton-El, Zachary Chesser, John Gotti, Viktor Bout, Tony Alamo, and even Pete Rose.

The site itself is now a medium security prison, with a minimum security prison camp. The prison holds over 1,000 inmates, with 350 people in the prison camp.

fema-camps_250pxChanute AFB, Illinois

The claim: Rantoul, near Champaign/Urbana – This closed base had WWII – era barracks that were condemned and torn down, but the medical facility was upgraded and additional fencing put up in the area. More info needed.

What it really is: The base was closed in 1993, but many of the buildings were converted into civilian and commercial use, from light manufacturing, to retirement communities.

The former base also includes a museum called the Octave Chanute Aerospace Museum.

As for the actual claim about the hospital, well, hospitals tend to be expanded to accommodate the population, therefore it is necessary to construct new additions to a hospital, and because construct sites tend to be dangerous places (and has equipment that tends to get stolen) it is necessary to put fencing up around such a site.

The only military presence left at the site is a youth boot camp for troubled youths ages 16 to 18 called the Lincoln’s ChalleNGe Academy that is run by the Illinois National Guard and Air Guard.

Pekin, Illinois

The claim: This Federal satellite prison camp is also on the Illinois River, just south of Peoria. It supplements the federal penitentiary in Marion, which is equipped to handle additional population outside on the grounds.

What it really is: There is a federal prison there with a prison camp on grounds. The prison is called FCI Pekin, it’s a medium security prison, it holds 1,200 prisoners, and it’s prison camp holds 300 minimum security prisoners.

Scott AFB, Illinois

The claim: Barbed wire prisoner enclosure reported to exist just off-base. More info needed, as another facility on-base is beieved to exist.

What it really is: No such facilities exist on the base, nor near the base. In fact the airfield there is open to commercial aircraft, and other civilian facilities there as well, including colleges.

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Is that a FEMA Camp? – February 22, 2013 Edition

Is that a FEMA Camp? is a blog dedicated to investigating claims of FEMA camp locations. Below is some of their findings. Enjoy 🙂

February 22, 2013 Edition

Fort Wainwright, Alaska

FC_fema-1_300pxThe claim: East of Fairbanks

What it really is: Actually it’s inside Fairbanks city limits.

With the exception of perhaps the Bassett Army Community Hospital, nothing there looks like something you would find on a prison camp, and considering that it is within the city limits, it would be hard hide a prison camp there.

Eielson AFB, Alaska

The claim: Southeast of Fairbanks. Operation Garden Plot facility.

What it really is: It’s a large Air Force base that’s only a couple of miles from Fairbanks, and has a highway running through it.

There are family housing units there, and none of the buildings there looks like what you would find in a typical prison camp.

Elmendorf AFB, Alaska

The claim: Northeast area of Anchorage – far end of base. Garden Plot facility.

What it really is: It’s an Air Force base within Anchorage that was built right before World War Two.

The base itself is pretty compact for an Air Force base, but still, none of the buildings look like something from a prison camp, and actually look like what you would find on a typical Air Force base.

Also, it would be pretty hard to hide prison camp around a city as large as Anchorage.

Wilderness, Alaska

alexjones_animated_1The claim: East of Anchorage. No roads, Air & Railroad access only. Estimated capacity of 500,000

What it really is: I was about to brush this off as being not having enough information, but I decided to go to one of these FEMA camp websites that actually had the location pinned on Google maps, and I took a look at the pinned location in satellite view, and the only things I found around there were a few houses and roads, a highway, and nothing that can hold half a million people.

East Yellowstone, Wyoming

The claim: Manned internment facility – Investigating patriots were apprehended by European soldiers speaking in an unknown language. Federal government assumed custody of the persons and arranged their release.

What it really is: First let me ask, “Why would the United States be using foreign soldiers for?” That does not make any sense.

Considering how many people visit Yellowstone every year (about 3.4 million, many of them European) it would be pretty hard to keep such facility there hidden from public view.

Considering that there is no exact location of this alleged facility or details, by all appearances this story is most likely made up.

Southwest, Wyoming

The claim: near Lyman – FEMA detention facility

What it really is: This claim appears to be bogus.

I’ve taken a look around the area and other then a few schools and large churches, I can’t find any buildings that might resemble a prison camp around the area.

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Is that a FEMA Camp? – February 16, 2013 Edition

Is that a FEMA Camp? is a blog dedicated to investigating claims of FEMA camp locations. Below is some of their findings. Enjoy 🙂

February 16, 2013 Edition

FEMAD_300pxWilderness areas, Idaho

The claim: Possible location. No data.

What it really is: Due to the sheer fact that there is no data about this, nor is there a general location (just says it is in a wilderness area, which there is a lot of in Idaho) this claim appears to just be made up.

Clearwater National Forest, Idaho

The claim: Near Lolo Pass – Just miles from the Montana state line near Moose Creek, this unmanned
facility is reported to have a nearby airfield.

What it really is: Using Google maps in satellite view I can find no airfields in the general area, nor does it appear that an airfield could be put there to begin with due to the terrain.

There is also very little in the way of structures in the area, nor are any of the structures large enough to house a prison camp.

This claim is bogus.

Alex Jones believes in FEMA camps.

If Alex Jones believes in FEMA
camps they must be real.

Minidoka/Jerome Counties, Idaho

The claim: WWII Japanese-American internment facility possibly under renovation.

What it really is: The Japanese internment camp that is being refereed to is called the Minidoka National Historic Site, and is formerly known as the Minidoka War Relocation Center.

The site itself was very large, and held over 9,000 people there during World War Two. In 1979 the site was listed on the National Register of Historic Places, and in 2001 it was listed as a National Park, which means that it is open to the public.

In 2006 money was granted by the government to restore the site for historical purposes.

Fort Stewart, Georgia

The claim: Savannah area – FEMA designated detention facility

What it really is: Fort Stewart is a large US Army post, and also trains members of the National Guard there as well. The base also families living there, whom live in military housing units that are typical for bases of such size.

I’ve also taken an satellite view of the base via Google maps, and none of the buildings there actually look like it something from a prison camp. Everything there looks like what you would typically find on a normal military base.

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Is that a FEMA Camp? – February 13, 2013 Edition

Via RationalWikiFEMA concentration camps exist in the mind of a particularly loopy bunch of conspiracy theorists, who believe that mass internment facilities have been built across the continental United States by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, in preparation for a future declaration of martial law.

Is that a FEMA Camp? is a blog dedicated to investigating claims of FEMA camp locations. Below is some of their findings. Enjoy 🙂

February 13, 2013 Edition

Camp+Fema+Roadkill_300pxFort Gillem, Georgia

The claim: South side of Atlanta – FEMA designated detention facility.

What it really is: The base houses many different supply and support units including the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Laboratory and the 3rd MP Group (CID), both units of the United States Army Criminal Investigation Command, and employs 456 active duty Army personnel, 1,663 Army reservist, and 1,667 civilians.

The base itself houses many large buildings there that appear to be warehouses, some of which are right across the street from civilian houses. The base itself is surrounded by the city of Forest Park. It seems unlikely that a FEMA camp could be hidden here.

McRae, Telfair County, Georgia

The claim: 1.5 miles west of McRae on Hwy 134 (8th St). Facility is on Irwinton Avenue off 8th St., manned & staffed – no prisoners.

What it really is: The only things there that I believe would be mistaken for a FEMA camp is the Telfair State Prison, that was opened in 1992 and holds over 1100 inmates.

The facility is run by the Georgia Department of Corrections.

Abbeville, Georgia

dees-fema-camp-billboard2_300pxThe claim: South of Hawkinsville on US route 129; south of town off route 280 near Ocmulgee River. FEMA facility is staffed but without prisoners.

What it really is: It is the Wilcox State Prison. It is a medium security prison that was opened in 1994, and can hold 1,700 prisoners. The prison is run by the Georgia Department of Correction, and not FEMA.

Hawkinsville, Wilcox County, Georgia

The claim: Five miles east of town, fully manned and staffed but no prisoners. Located on fire road 100/Upper River Road

What it really is: Most likely the facility that is being mistaken for a FEMA camp is the Pulaski State Prison, a medium security prison that was opened in 1994, and houses over 1,200 female inmates.

This prison is run by the Georgia Department of Corrections.

Camilla, Georgia

The claim: Mitchell County, south of Albany. This FEMA facility is located on Mt. Zion Rd approximately 5.7 miles south of Camilla. Unmanned – no prisoners, no staff.

What it really is: First, Mt. Zion Rd is not south of Camilla, it’s east of it.

The only buildings around that area that might even come close to being mistaken for a FEMA camp are some long warehouses in a wooded area behind a house that look like they are being used for some storage areas for a farm (as there is a lot of farm land there).

Morgan, Calhoun County, Georgia

The claim: FEMA facility is fully manned & staffed – no prisoners.

What it really is: There is a facility there that is pretty darn big, and even had me confused for a while, but eventually I found out what it was. It is the Calhoun State Prison. It is a medium security prison that was opened in 1994, can hold over 1500 prisoners, and is run by the Georgia Department of Corrections.

Oglethorpe, Macon County, Georgia

The claim: facility is located five miles from Montezuma, three miles from Oglethorpe. This FEMA prison has no staff and no prisoners.

What it really is: After reviewing the area on Google maps in satellite mode I’ve determined that the location that is most likely being mistaken for a FEMA camp are multiple long animal warehouses at a poultry farm owned by Tyson Foods (I.E. giant chicken coups).

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Is that a FEMA Camp? – February 8, 2013 Edition

Via RationalWikiFEMA concentration camps exist in the mind of a particularly loopy bunch of conspiracy theorists, who believe that mass internment facilities have been built across the continental United States by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, in preparation for a future declaration of martial law.

Is that a FEMA Camp? is a blog dedicated to investigating claims of FEMA camp locations. Below is some of their findings. Enjoy 🙂

February 8, 2013 Edition

FEMA-camp-razor-wired_250pxFt. Carson, Colorado

The claim: Along route 115 near Canon City

What it really is: After doing some investigation using Google maps I have found the building in the general location that I believe is the one being mistaken for a FEMA camp. The building is called the Cross Roads Arena and Event Center.

Granada, Prowers County, Colorado

The claim: WWII Japanese internment camp

What it really is: Yes, there was a Japanese internment camp there. All but one of the original buildings there were torn down or removed, and the site itself is now described as a desolate and lonely place.

In 2006 the site was named a National Historic Landmark. Also in 2006 President George W. Bush signed into law H.R. 1492 granting $38,000,000 to preserve and restore the site and nine other Japanese internment camps for historical and educational purposes.

Trinidad, Colorado

The claim: WWII German/Italian camp being renovated.

What it really is: Yes, there was a World War Two German/Italian POW camp there. The claim about the camp renovated is false. It’s now pretty much an open field there, and what structures there that are left are dilapidated and crumbling apart.

fema-camps_250pxHonolulu, Hawaii

The claim: Detention transfer facility at the Honolulu airport similar in construction to the one in.Oklahoma (pentagon-shaped building where airplanes can taxi up to).

What it really is: Using Google Maps satellite view of the airport, and I can not find any pentagon shaped building there at all, neither on the public part, nor the military controlled part.

This claim is bogus.

Barbers Point NAS, Hawaii

The claim: There are several military areas that could be equipped for detention / deportation.

What it really is: The navy and marine air station, the Naval Air Station Barbers Point, was closed in the 1990’s, and the only military presence there today is a few planes and helicopters there that are operated by the US Coast Guard. It should also be noted that it is the only Coast Guard Air Station within the 14th United States Coast Guard District.

The site itself is now called the Kalaeloa Airport, and is open to the public. Other then the Coast Guard, there is no military presence there.

Halawa Heights area, Hawaii

The claim: Crematory facility located in hills above city. Area is marked as a state department of health laboratory.

What it really is: This location is a laboratory run by the state department of health. In 2005 the laboratory began upgrading to Biosafety level-3 (which is the second highest Biosafety level). Because of this having an onsite crematorium for the facility makes perfectly logical sense as you don’t have to take hazardous biological material off site and run the risk of it accidentally being released into the population, and just destroy it right then and there. In fact most onsite laboratories such as this usually do have their own onsite crematoriums for such this reason.

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